They Bill Us, and We Pay Them

OK call me naive. I thought my healthcare provider was working for me. In all fairness, it usually does, but this past incident reminds me that they do not always.

I recently had a provider’s office call me back for a follow up - some photos. Pretty simple really - they had already done it once. Problem is, the insuror said the pictures were not sufficient to determine if they would approve the procedure. So the nurse called and asked me to come back. I asked who would pay for that. The other end of the line went quiet for a moment, the nurse clearly taken off guard by the question, but she quickly understood that it was a customer service issue and said that if the pictures weren’t good enough that they would not charge me to retake them. Satisfied, I went in.

At the front desk, the woman asked for the co-pay. I explained the situation and what the nurse had told me. I had distracted the lemming from its path and now it was left to wander, “I don’t know how to do that.” She looked around as if something on her desk might explain. She made to get up and go ask, then sat down. She looked around the desk again (what the hell was she looking for?). And then she had a spark of an idea. “I know what I’ll do. I’ll make it a follow up visit with no charge.” Worked for me.

Got the photos. Went home.

Then the bill for my co-pay arrived. And an EOB arrived. They charged my insurance $33 and wanted the $20 co-pay from me. I called the provider’s business office (part of a large medical center). They put it in for review.

I got another statement. They wanted $20.

I called my insuror. I explained to the lady on the other end of the line what had happened and that either my provider was a poor photographer or my insuror was unnessecarily driving up my expenses on the matter by asking for uneccesary procedures.

Here was the basic response.

Our contract with the provider is that they bill us, and we pay them. That agreement you made was a private side agreement. We have no control over that. They bill us, and we pay them.

So I asked, “Basically what you’re telling me is that I might get my co-pay back, but you’ve sent them the $33 and they are going to keep it?”

“Yes, sir. They bill us, and we pay them.”

I think I went over her head in my understanding of things with the next part. “So you’ve paid out $33 that was not supposed to be paid out, and I’m going to be underwritten with that as an expense when it comes time to renew and establish my rate for next year?”

“Um. That’s our agreement with them.”

It’s not the amount. It’s the principle of the thing. I got them to write off the co-pay. They kept my $33 paid by my insuror.

They bill us, and we pay them.

Thanks.

  1. My local Critical Access Hospital charges some very high prices and because it is a CAH it seems that Regence Blue Shield allows the full charge. I have a high deductable policy so I end up paying whatever the CAH asks for. I have been told that City hospitals charge less for the same procedures (e.g. and EKG). How can I find out what City hospital charge for procedures so that I can do some bargaining with my local CAH? I couldn’t tell if medbillmanager would tell me comparative charges from different hospitals.

  2. Robert | 09.25.2007

    Yes. That info is available. You can log into MedBillManager and try out the 30 day free trial (only an e-mail is required - NO credit card or other payment info). Click on the COMPARE tab and take a look at what’s there. Depending on what state you are in and which procedure in particular, you can anaonymously compare what other people have paid for services. We also have a great deal of data on our FindYourDoc site including Medicare standard reimbursement rates for both inpatient and outpatient services. Medicare is generally the basis that most commercial insurances use as a starting point. Hope that helps.

  3. Hi All,

    I will definately check out the MedBill Manager site as it sounds great.

    My background is in the broadcast industry, and am looking to leverage my contacts and expertise in the industry to launch a consumer healthcare advocacy programming op. I’m working with producers to a TV pilot whereby we’ll go behind the scenes to help disgruntled healthcare consumers seek justice. Moreover, our goal is to empower and educate consumers on how they can exercise the samle amount of control over their healthcare consumer experience. Why is it that we can get more consumer information on buying a car than buying healthcare?

    Any thoughts suggestions or consumer stories are welcomed.

    Mary

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